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		<title>By: Valuable vs. navigational environments</title>
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		<dc:creator>Valuable vs. navigational environments</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 May 2010 12:03:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Now I&#8217;m not saying that it is the lack of graphical elements that are making this environment better, I&#8217;m not. It&#8217;s the lack of intense navigational and commercial noise aimed at supplementing a business model designed to generate clicks and views. Which is an infrastructure business model for advertising, a business model that has been proven not to work:  1. Digital, often representing half or more than half of a publication’s readers generate only 5% of a publisher’s income. (link) [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Now I&#8217;m not saying that it is the lack of graphical elements that are making this environment better, I&#8217;m not. It&#8217;s the lack of intense navigational and commercial noise aimed at supplementing a business model designed to generate clicks and views. Which is an infrastructure business model for advertising, a business model that has been proven not to work:  1. Digital, often representing half or more than half of a publication’s readers generate only 5% of a publisher’s income. (link) [...]</p>
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		<title>By: A collection of ten inspiring ideas</title>
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		<dc:creator>A collection of ten inspiring ideas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Dec 2009 22:40:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] model for online media is no longer sustainable. I have previously pointed to both the external and internal challenges to the online display advertising format. None of this is news to media companies [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] model for online media is no longer sustainable. I have previously pointed to both the external and internal challenges to the online display advertising format. None of this is news to media companies [...]</p>
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		<title>By: helgetenno</title>
		<link>http://www.180360720.no/index.php/archive/online-advertising-is-changing-because-the-media-business-model-is-changing/comment-page-1/#comment-1403</link>
		<dc:creator>helgetenno</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 21:23:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brilliant stuff Johannes, thanks a lot for adding it to this post. PSFK is down right now, but the IBM/GOOD job is really a good (no pun intended) example.

Best
Helge</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brilliant stuff Johannes, thanks a lot for adding it to this post. PSFK is down right now, but the IBM/GOOD job is really a good (no pun intended) example.</p>
<p>Best<br />
Helge</p>
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		<title>By: Johannes</title>
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		<dc:creator>Johannes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 09:15:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The two companies which inspire me the most when it comes to the mix of media, content and brands providing arenas and values are Monocle and GOOD. Both started as classic media ventures and are now using their expertise for their customers and the content to help their advertising clients to actually provide value instead of just some ads. 

http://www.psfk.com/2009/06/monocle-xs-brands-v-agencies.html
http://www.fastcompany.com/blog/kelsey-keith/designage/infographics-day-rethinking-cities-good-and-ibm?nav=inform-rl</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The two companies which inspire me the most when it comes to the mix of media, content and brands providing arenas and values are Monocle and GOOD. Both started as classic media ventures and are now using their expertise for their customers and the content to help their advertising clients to actually provide value instead of just some ads. </p>
<p><a href="http://www.psfk.com/2009/06/monocle-xs-brands-v-agencies.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.psfk.com/2009/06/monocle-xs-brands-v-agencies.html</a><br />
<a href="http://www.fastcompany.com/blog/kelsey-keith/designage/infographics-day-rethinking-cities-good-and-ibm?nav=inform-rl" rel="nofollow">http://www.fastcompany.com/blog/kelsey-keith/designage/infographics-day-rethinking-cities-good-and-ibm?nav=inform-rl</a></p>
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		<title>By: helgetenno</title>
		<link>http://www.180360720.no/index.php/archive/online-advertising-is-changing-because-the-media-business-model-is-changing/comment-page-1/#comment-1397</link>
		<dc:creator>helgetenno</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Nov 2009 07:00:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In context: Jeff Jarvis on the future of Media.

&lt;object width=&quot;400&quot; height=&quot;300&quot;&gt;&lt;param name=&quot;allowfullscreen&quot; value=&quot;true&quot; /&gt;&lt;param name=&quot;allowscriptaccess&quot; value=&quot;always&quot; /&gt;&lt;param name=&quot;movie&quot; value=&quot;http://vimeo.com/moogaloop.swf?clip_id=7471576&amp;server=vimeo.com&amp;show_title=1&amp;show_byline=1&amp;show_portrait=0&amp;color=&amp;fullscreen=1&quot; /&gt;&lt;embed src=&quot;http://vimeo.com/moogaloop.swf?clip_id=7471576&amp;server=vimeo.com&amp;show_title=1&amp;show_byline=1&amp;show_portrait=0&amp;color=&amp;fullscreen=1&quot; type=&quot;application/x-shockwave-flash&quot; allowfullscreen=&quot;true&quot; allowscriptaccess=&quot;always&quot; width=&quot;400&quot; height=&quot;300&quot;&gt;&lt;/embed&gt;&lt;/object&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://vimeo.com/7471576&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Jeff Jarvis: &quot;Google is not an enemy, Google is a model&quot;&lt;/a&gt; from &lt;a href=&quot;http://vimeo.com/user1191984&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Carta&lt;/a&gt; on &lt;a href=&quot;http://vimeo.com&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Vimeo&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;/p&gt;

via Nitmesh
http://www.nitmesh.com/blog/2009/11/tough-love-for-media.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In context: Jeff Jarvis on the future of Media.</p>
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<p><a href="http://vimeo.com/7471576" rel="nofollow">Jeff Jarvis: &#8220;Google is not an enemy, Google is a model&#8221;</a> from <a href="http://vimeo.com/user1191984" rel="nofollow">Carta</a> on <a href="http://vimeo.com" rel="nofollow">Vimeo</a>.</p>
<p>via Nitmesh<br />
<a href="http://www.nitmesh.com/blog/2009/11/tough-love-for-media.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.nitmesh.com/blog/2009/11/tough-love-for-media.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: helgetenno</title>
		<link>http://www.180360720.no/index.php/archive/online-advertising-is-changing-because-the-media-business-model-is-changing/comment-page-1/#comment-1396</link>
		<dc:creator>helgetenno</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Nov 2009 19:46:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Neil, thanks for pitching in. I especially like the quote at the top of your post: 

&quot;We&#039;re not going from a world of Business Model A to one of Business Model B, we&#039;re going from Business Model A to Business Models A to Z.&quot; - Clay Shirky

Personally we have already been working with some ideas for co-creation and the solutions aren&#039;t that far away – or that difficult to spot. But it&#039;s first when media understands that they are not building more content to fit it with even more display advertising real-estate (it’s quite bad in Norway: http://www.vg.no/), they’re building more content to extend on their existing value creation with readers and participants. And earning money either from brands offered completely new models for sponsorship, or from membership based revenue models and the co-creation of content with brands.

Helge</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Neil, thanks for pitching in. I especially like the quote at the top of your post: </p>
<p>&#8220;We&#8217;re not going from a world of Business Model A to one of Business Model B, we&#8217;re going from Business Model A to Business Models A to Z.&#8221; &#8211; Clay Shirky</p>
<p>Personally we have already been working with some ideas for co-creation and the solutions aren&#8217;t that far away – or that difficult to spot. But it&#8217;s first when media understands that they are not building more content to fit it with even more display advertising real-estate (it’s quite bad in Norway: <a href="http://www.vg.no/" rel="nofollow">http://www.vg.no/</a>), they’re building more content to extend on their existing value creation with readers and participants. And earning money either from brands offered completely new models for sponsorship, or from membership based revenue models and the co-creation of content with brands.</p>
<p>Helge</p>
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		<title>By: helgetenno</title>
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		<dc:creator>helgetenno</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Nov 2009 19:25:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Daniel, thanks for the contribution, and link to Pepsuber. :o)

I agree with you, and it&#039;s good to see brands, ie. Playboy, doing interesting stuff together with brands: http://is.gd/4VEgC

The challenge is often the ethical guidelines where media wants clear separation between advertising/marketing and editorial. This is understandable, especially with a lot of their products.

(So let’s not get into “fair and balanced reporting” or PR here :o)

But I’d like to challenge this mindset, there are especially to things I see changing the picture:

Marketing used to be a bad thing, unwanted, persuasive, subconscious. But this is old mindset stuff. New marketing ideas are more about adding something valuable to peoples’ experiences. If this is done transparent people will appreciate the value. Marketing becomes wanted. 

Media is more than just news; it’s a host of different niche products. Brands belong in the niche products. Co-creating value that is contextually relevant on existing or new arenas together with the media and our participants.

So there is a definite opportunity here for value creation – both ways. But we can’t look for new opportunities through the lenses of the old models. We need fresh ideas, fresh models, and the belief that in these ideas lies the opportunity to change media. (as it needs to be changed)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Daniel, thanks for the contribution, and link to Pepsuber. :o)</p>
<p>I agree with you, and it&#8217;s good to see brands, ie. Playboy, doing interesting stuff together with brands: <a href="http://is.gd/4VEgC" rel="nofollow">http://is.gd/4VEgC</a></p>
<p>The challenge is often the ethical guidelines where media wants clear separation between advertising/marketing and editorial. This is understandable, especially with a lot of their products.</p>
<p>(So let’s not get into “fair and balanced reporting” or PR here :o)</p>
<p>But I’d like to challenge this mindset, there are especially to things I see changing the picture:</p>
<p>Marketing used to be a bad thing, unwanted, persuasive, subconscious. But this is old mindset stuff. New marketing ideas are more about adding something valuable to peoples’ experiences. If this is done transparent people will appreciate the value. Marketing becomes wanted. </p>
<p>Media is more than just news; it’s a host of different niche products. Brands belong in the niche products. Co-creating value that is contextually relevant on existing or new arenas together with the media and our participants.</p>
<p>So there is a definite opportunity here for value creation – both ways. But we can’t look for new opportunities through the lenses of the old models. We need fresh ideas, fresh models, and the belief that in these ideas lies the opportunity to change media. (as it needs to be changed)</p>
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		<title>By: neilperkin</title>
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		<dc:creator>neilperkin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Nov 2009 18:45:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good post Helge. I wrote about something similar over here...
http://bit.ly/1ZkinV
...inspired by something else Scott Karp wrote about the packaging of content. Hits a lot of the same notes I think. Your point about brands co-creating with content owners is an interesting one and food for thought...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good post Helge. I wrote about something similar over here&#8230;<br />
<a href="http://bit.ly/1ZkinV" rel="nofollow">http://bit.ly/1ZkinV</a><br />
&#8230;inspired by something else Scott Karp wrote about the packaging of content. Hits a lot of the same notes I think. Your point about brands co-creating with content owners is an interesting one and food for thought&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Daniel Goodall</title>
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		<dc:creator>Daniel Goodall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Nov 2009 17:37:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree. I think media companies will have to create new revenue streams, to diversify their offering and make it genuinely valuable.

I also think Brands can co-create value with professional content creators, e.g. the way Pepsi did it with SNL writers: http://danielgoodall.com/2009/03/27/advertising-is-dead/

Since great, professional content is something that brands will increasingly need, then partnerships with these content creators (the media) is one possible revenue stream for them. 

Advertorials 2.0, perhaps?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree. I think media companies will have to create new revenue streams, to diversify their offering and make it genuinely valuable.</p>
<p>I also think Brands can co-create value with professional content creators, e.g. the way Pepsi did it with SNL writers: <a href="http://danielgoodall.com/2009/03/27/advertising-is-dead/" rel="nofollow">http://danielgoodall.com/2009/03/27/advertising-is-dead/</a></p>
<p>Since great, professional content is something that brands will increasingly need, then partnerships with these content creators (the media) is one possible revenue stream for them. </p>
<p>Advertorials 2.0, perhaps?</p>
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		<title>By: helgetenno</title>
		<link>http://www.180360720.no/index.php/archive/online-advertising-is-changing-because-the-media-business-model-is-changing/comment-page-1/#comment-1391</link>
		<dc:creator>helgetenno</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Nov 2009 12:25:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Gerald, thanks for adding your five cent to the conversation.

I think media is as interested as we are in discovering the new ideas, (and taking back ownership of their real estate) but it is the system that is corrupt. Held together by the only role still getting some value back from the status quo. 

This quote is from the CEO of the media company I also quoted in the post (my translation):

”We&#039;ve lived of selling generic squares – it’s incredible that we are still aloud to do that, and that we are trying to live of it” 
- Kristin Skogen Lund, CEO, Aftenposten</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Gerald, thanks for adding your five cent to the conversation.</p>
<p>I think media is as interested as we are in discovering the new ideas, (and taking back ownership of their real estate) but it is the system that is corrupt. Held together by the only role still getting some value back from the status quo. </p>
<p>This quote is from the CEO of the media company I also quoted in the post (my translation):</p>
<p>”We&#8217;ve lived of selling generic squares – it’s incredible that we are still aloud to do that, and that we are trying to live of it”<br />
- Kristin Skogen Lund, CEO, Aftenposten</p>
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		<title>By: Gerald</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gerald</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Nov 2009 11:57:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Media is advertising&#039;s banking business. They mostly don&#039;t care about content, they care about how cheap they are able to sell advertising space. &quot;Function follows form&quot; at its best (definitely the title of my future book about this industry). But our world doesn&#039;t fit to this concept anymore. Thanks god, this is going to end now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Media is advertising&#8217;s banking business. They mostly don&#8217;t care about content, they care about how cheap they are able to sell advertising space. &#8220;Function follows form&#8221; at its best (definitely the title of my future book about this industry). But our world doesn&#8217;t fit to this concept anymore. Thanks god, this is going to end now.</p>
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